Did anyone else notice the reversed ground and neutral field connections at 2:12?? The installation manual says the pad is supposed to be 6" larger all the way around too.
I have no experience with a gas generator, but expect a generator of similar capacity would use a similar amount of gas as mine does propane. That said, running my generator to produce the same amount of electricity as I currently get from the grid is cost prohibitive due to the price of the fuel. I use my generator only for short term grid down situations. My back up for long term grid down is solar, but that is limited to producing about 1/3rd of the power I now use.
I've had my generator for a couple of years now and am very satisfied. As for peeing outside, I have no problem doing so, but in most circumstances it's something the ladies here would prefer not to do.
I just checked the local prices are $3.64 a gallon, way to expensive for me. You are getting it way cheaper then I could ever buy it at. Next week I'll find out what my true costs are with NG when they install my 20KW (18KW NG) Generac. I'm expecting it to cost around $26.00 a day maybe more/maybe less.
How much are you paying per gallon? Also, a LP unit uses less than a NG unit because propane puts out 2,500 BTU's per cubic foot while NG puts out about 1,200 BTU's per cubic foot of gas. That is why NG gensets like a 20KW only is 18KW. I would have done LP but I think they charge about $5.00 a gallon in the North East.
When I compared the price of owning my own propane tank and being able to shop around for propane purchases to leasing a tank and being held to one supplier it turned out I was paying almost double per gallon.
Good info. I've not had to run my generator in really cold weather, so don't know how cold it would need to be to ice up with my usage. My power needs are pretty low, so it does run for more than 48 hours. My best estimate based upon the outages I've had is that if the tank were full I could run for almost 4 days. That's pretty easy to stretch out to much more by just turning it off when not needed such as at night. I'm also putting in a small solar power system to provide lighting and such.
Just some important notes here (I am in the propane business.) That 120 "Low Boy" tank will probability ice up on a cold day with full load and reduce the pressure to your 14kw generator causing it shut down. Reason being is there is not sufficient steel (wet surface area) to vaporize the liquid propane into gas. You will need a 2nd tank tied into the first one to prevent this situation. With a 14kw you can expect to get 2- 24hr days per tank running on full generator electrical load.
This generator is not cheap to run. The cost of it and installation upfront is pretty heavy. It burns propane I guess in a fair manner, but you have to expect a good deal of cost per day in fuel. Overall I would recommend it, but it is not an cost effective alternative for grid power. I do really appreciate it when the grid goes down as it did during Sandy. Thumbs up for sure.
We're pretty close to each other then. I'm out 66, down 81 a bit, then west towards the mountains, If you're familiar with Bryce Resort I'm a few miles from there.
Good timing with getting that there. loss of that meat would not of been too good, Im here near D.C up in Northern Va,, ready as can be for Sandy.. I really need to look into getting a back up Gen for future storms
We lost power here in the early summer and shortly after I had purchased a quarter of beef and filled my freezer. Having that meat thaw out would have been a big loss. As it was I lost nothing. The pay off on a generator can be a fairly long time if the power grid is stable, but it can pay for itself quickly when there's a disaster. Sandy looks like will be at least partially hitting here, so I might be using the generator again soon.
those are good things to have, so need one here some day, when a deracho storm hit i was with out power for 3 days, shame i dont have one now with the approaching hurricane Sandy
Did anyone else notice the reversed ground and neutral field connections at 2:12?? The installation manual says the pad is supposed to be 6" larger all the way around too.
ReplyDeletecan you install earplugs for this crappy music?
ReplyDeleteApprox. what would an install like this cost with a portable generator?
ReplyDeleteNice job on the dent on the front panel, who is going to repace that? After spending 4500 I would be plenty p...od....
ReplyDeleteGood looking install! Have you installed any Mobile Link units yet?
ReplyDeletelose the music...
ReplyDeleteI hope the home owner gets a discount for the dent on the cover... LOL good vid ...
ReplyDeleteIf possible, I like to make that connection by the furnace/ air handler.
ReplyDeleteHow would you wire thermostat wire if wire is running from LSM to the outside fan unit?
ReplyDeleteI have no experience with a gas generator, but expect a generator of similar capacity would use a similar amount of gas as mine does propane. That said, running my generator to produce the same amount of electricity as I currently get from the grid is cost prohibitive due to the price of the fuel. I use my generator only for short term grid down situations. My back up for long term grid down is solar, but that is limited to producing about 1/3rd of the power I now use.
ReplyDeleteCan this work in an off-grid solution? Can one save on propane when compared to a gas generator? thanks
ReplyDeleteI've had my generator for a couple of years now and am very satisfied. As for peeing outside, I have no problem doing so, but in most circumstances it's something the ladies here would prefer not to do.
ReplyDeleteWhen you have to pee you could always pee outside. Generac is a good product. We install them all the time.
ReplyDeleteThere are 3 acres here, but you wouldn't know it because about 2.5 of them are down the side of the mountain.
ReplyDeleteHow many acres do you have there?
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty good
ReplyDeleteNo. Total was something 7K or a bit less.
ReplyDeleteSo the total cost including the generator was about $12K? ($4K+$1K+$7K)
ReplyDeleteThank you for the kind words.
ReplyDeleteI really admire your effort to protect yourself and family in a power-down situation. Well done, sir.
ReplyDeleteI just checked the local prices are $3.64 a gallon, way to expensive for me. You are getting it way cheaper then I could ever buy it at. Next week I'll find out what my true costs are with NG when they install my 20KW (18KW NG) Generac. I'm expecting it to cost around $26.00 a day maybe more/maybe less.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking at my last bill and it says it was on 3 November, 2012, and the price per gallon was $2.6490 per gallon.
ReplyDeleteHow much are you paying per gallon?
ReplyDeleteAlso, a LP unit uses less than a NG unit because propane puts out 2,500 BTU's per cubic foot while NG puts out about 1,200 BTU's per cubic foot of gas. That is why NG gensets like a 20KW only is 18KW. I would have done LP but I think they charge about $5.00 a gallon in the North East.
When I compared the price of owning my own propane tank and being able to shop around for propane purchases to leasing a tank and being held to one supplier it turned out I was paying almost double per gallon.
ReplyDeleteGood info. I've not had to run my generator in really cold weather, so don't know how cold it would need to be to ice up with my usage. My power needs are pretty low, so it does run for more than 48 hours. My best estimate based upon the outages I've had is that if the tank were full I could run for almost 4 days. That's pretty easy to stretch out to much more by just turning it off when not needed such as at night. I'm also putting in a small solar power system to provide lighting and such.
ReplyDeleteBuy the way owning your own tank is the only way to go !
ReplyDeleteJust some important notes here (I am in the propane business.) That 120 "Low Boy" tank will probability ice up on a cold day with full load and reduce the pressure to your 14kw generator causing it shut down. Reason being is there is not sufficient steel (wet surface area) to vaporize the liquid propane into gas. You will need a 2nd tank tied into the first one to prevent this situation. With a 14kw you can expect to get 2- 24hr days per tank running on full generator electrical load.
ReplyDeleteThis generator is not cheap to run. The cost of it and installation upfront is pretty heavy. It burns propane I guess in a fair manner, but you have to expect a good deal of cost per day in fuel. Overall I would recommend it, but it is not an cost effective alternative for grid power. I do really appreciate it when the grid goes down as it did during Sandy. Thumbs up for sure.
ReplyDeletethank you for the video
ReplyDeleteCool. Im some what familiar with that area,, I travel 66 & 81 sometime when going out to West Va
ReplyDeleteWe're pretty close to each other then. I'm out 66, down 81 a bit, then west towards the mountains, If you're familiar with Bryce Resort I'm a few miles from there.
ReplyDeleteGood timing with getting that there. loss of that meat would not of been too good, Im here near D.C up in Northern Va,, ready as can be for Sandy.. I really need to look into getting a back up Gen for future storms
ReplyDeleteWe lost power here in the early summer and shortly after I had purchased a quarter of beef and filled my freezer. Having that meat thaw out would have been a big loss. As it was I lost nothing. The pay off on a generator can be a fairly long time if the power grid is stable, but it can pay for itself quickly when there's a disaster. Sandy looks like will be at least partially hitting here, so I might be using the generator again soon.
ReplyDeletethose are good things to have, so need one here some day, when a deracho storm hit i was with out power for 3 days, shame i dont have one now with the approaching hurricane Sandy
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